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RAID na server

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sef
Post subject: RAID na server  PostPosted: 05.07.2007 - 20:29 #54158
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Zatial mama ako server Linux samozrejme na jednom PC a na jednom HDD. Rozmyslal som na moznostou tam dat este jeden HDD a ako RAID. Mate to niekto ak ano ake mate s tym skusenosti?

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icerowicz
Post subject: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 00:18 #54161
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sef wrote: ›Zatial mama ako server Linux samozrejme na jednom PC a na jednom HDD. Rozmyslal som na moznostou tam dat este jeden HDD a ako RAID. Mate to niekto ak ano ake mate s tym skusenosti?

Dik.


je to celkom fajn vec. Ale otazkou je, ci tam chces davat HW kartu, alebo sw raid. Dalej skus popisat, co za raid tam chces dat, raid0, raid1, raid5 atd. typujem, ze chces nahodit len mirror.

Skusenosti su fajn, idealny stav je, ked mas oba disky rovnake a robi ti background synchronizaciu. Teoreticky to urobis aj s inymi velkostami diskov, ale stale plati pravidlo, ze ten druhy mirror bude tak velky, ako najmensi disk ( teda particia , aby som tu od niekoho nedostal zjeba ). v linuxe mas balik raid_tools, asi najpouzivanejsia vec. Tot vsetko Smile
 
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fixi
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 03:16 #54163
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sef: ak chces mat real HW raid (t.j. nie tie somariny co mas on board) tak skus pozret 3ware radice Smile ale cena tam je pekna pri niektorych modeloch Smile
 
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sef
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 16:26 #54180
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Myslel som iba to co je onboard. HDD rovnake a samozrejme to nastavit aby robilo obraz toho prveho HDD ak by nahodou padol.Nestaci to urobit na MB ale musi sa to instalovat este aj v Linuxe?
 
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Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 17:09 #54181
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onboard raidy su tzv "fake raid" radice, alebo tiez "winraid" inak povedane v linuxe je jedno ci mas onboard raid (fake) alebo nemas ziadny Very Happy

Softwarovy raid pod linuxom nevyuziva funkcionalitu fake raidu. Disky vobec nemusia byt rovnake, RAID sa vytvara "per particia" nie "per disk". To znamena ze napriklad particia hda1 a hdb1 su v RAID1, particia hda2 a hdb su v RAID0 no a napriklad hda3, hda4 a hdb3 nie su v ziadnom raide.

... uplna zverina je spravit raid mezi internym diskom a USB externym diskom Smile samozrejme treba pamatat na vykon
 
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PCnity
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 19:00 #54184
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fixi wrote: ›sef: ak chces mat real HW raid (t.j. nie tie somariny co mas on board) tak skus pozret 3ware radice Smile ale cena tam je pekna pri niektorych modeloch Smile


Mam 2ks 3Ware Escalade 8 port IDE radice na predaj... To mas true HW raid. Inak ani sw raid nie je na zahodenie...
 
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fixi
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 06.07.2007 - 23:13 #54199
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pcnity: ja only sata do serverov Smile

explorer: ja mam vsetky 4 disky identicke, a aj rozdelenie rovnake Smile
 
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PCnity
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 01:04 #54206
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fixi wrote: ›pcnity: ja only sata do serverov Smile

explorer: ja mam vsetky 4 disky identicke, a aj rozdelenie rovnake Smile


Ja only SCSI/SAS Wink
Ale sef by mohol mat zaujem o 3ware radic Wink
 
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lol
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 01:08 #54207
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fixi wrote: ›pcnity: ja only sata do serverov Smile

A v com je sata lepsi od ide?
 
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fixi
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 01:11 #54208
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lol: jednak sa ide uz vytraca z mainboardov, a myslim ze narozdiel od ide podporuje hotplug, teoreticka vyssia rychlost, ine kable:-)
pcnity: kedze si svoj server financujem sam, tak mi scsi/sas nehrozi zatial:-)
 
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PCnity
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 01:12 #54209
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lol wrote: ›
fixi wrote: ›pcnity: ja only sata do serverov Smile

A v com je sata lepsi od ide?


lepsie ti prudi vzduch Wink Inak asi v nicom. Ani 500 GiB sata hdd ti nedaju 100 MiB/s a to uz maju riadnu hustotu zapisu... Cize aj UATA 5/6 ti staci...
 
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PCnity
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 01:13 #54210
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fixi wrote: ›lol: jednak sa ide uz vytraca z mainboardov, a myslim ze narozdiel od ide podporuje hotplug, teoreticka vyssia rychlost, ine kable:-)
pcnity: kedze si svoj server financujem sam, tak mi scsi/sas nehrozi zatial:-)


Aj ide aj sata II podporuju "hotplug". Ale pravda je ze seriovy prenos je buducnost... Ved aj SCSI prechadza na seriovy prenos.
 
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Robert
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 09:26 #54213
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Ak nejaky lacny RAID pod Linuxom, jednoznacne softwarovy. Existuju sice rozne lacne IDE RAID radice, ale tieto v jadre 2.6 uz nie su podporovane. SW RAID tak ako je implementovany v Linuxe, je dokonca lepsi, lebo system teoreticky dokaze prezit havariu disku a fungovat dalej (pokial nedojde k takej zvratenosti ako vyskratovanie zbernice a pod.). V pripade spomenutych lacnych IDE RAID radicov doslo aj k havarii OS.

Kupa IDE RAID radica ma vsak aj tak zmysel. Dnes sa vlastne predavaju vo forme IDE radicov, ktore maju dalsie dva kanaly. Ak si clovek chce spravit RAID1, potrebuje aspon 2 HDD, idealne na samostatnych IDE kanaloch. Treti IDE kanal obvykle zabera CD ROM/DVD. Preto jedobre kupit pridavny IDE radic (ktory obvykle ma v sebe aj RAID) na pripojenie oboch HDD a fukcionalitu hardwaroveho RAID jednoducho nevyuzivat.

Tymto sposobom prevadzkujem moj domaci Linux server.
 
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PCnity
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 21:19 #54230
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Robert:

Lacne RAID 0/1 radice zalozene na ITE 8212 chipsete si pekne rozumeju s 2.6 kernelom... A system ti nepadne ak pri raid 1 vytiahnes natvrdo jeden hdd. Ale na automaticky rebuild array nepripada v uvahu Wink
 
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paulie
Post subject: RE: RAID na server  PostPosted: 07.07.2007 - 22:29 #54238
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Quote: › Ani 500 GiB sata hdd ti nedaju 100 MiB/s a to uz maju riadnu hustotu zapisu...


750 GB alebo 1 TB maju v NIEKTORYCH testoch okolo 80-90 MB/s takze sa tomu uz dost blizi...

Dokonca najnovsi WD Caviar 750 GB mal porovnatelne vysledky z WD Raptorom (doteraz najrychlejsi SATA disk o ktorom viem).
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/06/record-making_hard_disk/page7.html
 
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