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Brana mimo segment

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Post subject: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 02:34 #38144
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Neviem ci sa cudujete, doteraz som si myslel ze do sieti sa vyznam aspon tocha, bol som par dni mimo a uzivatelom zhorel ROUTER nahradili ho switcho m a zmenili si len IP brany na svojich PCckach - to nie je mozno - povedal som mu ked vitazoslavne povedal ze to funguje - no bohuzial vyzeram ako debil lebo to funguje !, masky su vsade 255.255.255.0.

 
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Post subject: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:11 #38150
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tak toto je fakt blbost.

na PCcku mas IPcku 192.168.144.3 s maskou 255.255.255.0 co znamena, ze PCcko ma priamo pripojenu siet 192.168.144.0 - 192.168.144.255. teda pocitac vie priamo (bez brany) poslat paket iba tymto IPckam - brana teda musi byt jedna z tychto IPciek.

bud si musia klienti precislovat aj ipcky do rozsahu 192.168.100.x, alebo treba na router dat aj IPcku [povodnej brany a povedat ludom nech si zmenia IPcky a brany naspat na to co mali pred vypadkom. v kazdom pripade, kym ma uzivatel u seba IPcku a branu z ineho subnetu, nehrozi aby mu to chodilo, nech by si si to ty u seba nastavil akokolvek.
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:24 #38153
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typujem ze chlapik, ma vo svojom PC nastavenych viacero IP (nejake pozostatky z minulosti) a ani o tom nevie. to je bezna vec...
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:34 #38155
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dusky1 wrote: ›typujem ze chlapik, ma vo svojom PC nastavenych viacero IP (nejake pozostatky z minulosti) a ani o tom nevie. to je bezna vec...

wokna take nieco ako viac IP na interface podporuju?
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:35 #38156
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jedine ako dusky pisal ze im ostali nejake predosle nastavenia inac by to museli byt aktyXP, ja mam tak nastevene doma vsetko ( viac ip ) skusal som aj brany no to obcas tak zblblo ze som nechapal tak branu mam len jednu a manualne menim v pripade potreby.
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:36 #38157
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myslim ze to ma daku suvislost s proxy arpom, ten router zrejme reaguje arp odpovedou na ip co maju oni ako gw.
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:38 #38158
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fixi: jasne a jednoducho

klik klik klik tuk tuk a je to Laughing
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 09:49 #38159
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Tiez som sa stretol s tymto. Router mal na vnutornej strane dve IP - neverejnu (192.168.1.1) a verejnu. PC mali len neverejne IP v rozsahu 192.168.1.X a pouzivali 192.168.1.1 ako GW. IP z verejneho rozsahu mal len Unix server. Z nejakeho dovodu prestala fungovat brana 192.168.1.1, tak si niektori ludia na svojom PC nahradili 192.168.1.1 tou verejnou adresou, pricom IP zostala rovnaka. Cuduj sa svete, ono to chodilo. Na Unixe by taka brana bola odmietnuta s chybou "Network unreachable" alebo cosi take.
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 10:45 #38163
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v Aktoch XP vies zadat rozne brany (nemusia byt zhodne s IP) a nepinda po tebe system Mr. Green
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 13:30 #38170
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Presne tak. WinXP je akosi jedno, aku branu tam das, normalne ti to "vnutorne prerutuje", ci ako tuto uchylku nazvat Smile

Inac, preco si to dal prave do tohto threadu? Smile Jaksi nechapem, co je v tom projektove Smile
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 13:53 #38173
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A este otazocka, ze: da sa nejak na starsich Win dosiahnut efekt aliasovania IP? Alebo je to ciste zalezitost kernelu a teda je to nemozne? Sad
 
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Post subject: RE: Brana mimo segment  PostPosted: 21.07.2006 - 14:09 #38175
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myslim ze hej ale neviem to teraz nijako potvrdit, vsade same xp

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kurnik vsade same XP jedina moynost v noci sa pustit a nahodit niekam na niektorom stroji 98 a testnut to, ale ak sa nemylim tak to je tak ye v rozsirenych vlastnostiach vies nastivit co potrebujes.
obcas to ale cele zblbne

Vsetkzm peknz vikend bey prace a vela pitiva
de se bavic...
 
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